Not invulnerable, just not cheap to do.

You can thank the freighter pilots for the subsities

Also NC.

Attacking a Mack isn't profitable.

What's profitable is buying up all the supplies at the all-time low, and then attacking to force the price upwards ... then sell those stocks.

Keep in mind we weren't whining about it.

No.

They attacked us.

The only difference is now we have to use 2 catalysts. That's not really a big deal. I don't see why anyone would whine about that. The act of solo ganking itself isn't "profitable" anymore if that was what you are talking about.

Touval, you are the most cognitively impaired poster in recent memory. Please stop posting. Think of the children. Think of the world they will have to grow up in, filled with your words. Stop posting for their sake.

who's your main?

Well at least you've proven you have no clue what's going on in nullsec with this post (Hint: the whole thing started with NCdot sieging our tech moons. This is punative.)

I'm sure somebody is just chomping at the bit to use locator agents to track you down and pop your cherry. Just because you posted that.

Just pointing out. They still dont tank their ships.

Three more Catalyst dead. Loot scooped and resuming mining. Think I might go make a sandwich, yeah that sounds good.

A profit might be possible. Consider this:

gank every miner except your own, be the only one mining the resource. Profit?

So it might have been lucrative to just gank the miners and have a stockpile of the targeted resource already at hand, and then sell it at a higher price. The cost of ganking now might offset that, but the hull buff may have now required that the gankers harvest the resources themselves.

This is my theory or assumption. They might just be trying to see if it's possible.

Not sure if you're trolling or not, just because you mine your own minerals doesn't make them free, they're worth as much as someone is willing to pay for them.

Saw nine tornados on scan, aligned out. When they landed I warped off. Was immediately called a "f****** f**** coward!" in local. Please explain the amount of extreme rage these gankers have? Why are they so mad? Might be due to a couple of them smashing their face into my brick tanks fist seven times, but I thought this was just a game.

Saving the logs for now to milk them a bit longer before reporting the two highly upset gankers for their unkind words. Also having fun using a Kitsune with Gallente jammers to jam all these Catalysts the moment they go flashy.

I love this!

I shall refer you to the phenomenon known as opportunity cost

The value of the minerals you mine is not only determined by how much someone is willing to pay for them but by what else you could have been doing in the time it takes to mine them.

Tippia or Akita_T can explain it a lot better than I can

Ganking shouldn't be done for the profit?

Oh, I think the last freighter the goons popped would beg to differ...

A job you say? $45 an hour you say? There's these things called economies, with few exceptions they're not in a good state globally. Where I live there are 1500 people going for every job that comes up, and believe me none of them are paying $45 an hour.

In real money terms (to me) $45 an hour is -ú28 an hour, I know very few people who earn even close to that.

I'm a specialist auto electrician by trade, I specialised in fitting optional entertainment systems into high end vehicles such as Bentley & Rolls Royce, as well as aftermarket electronics into cars that the average consumer can't fit their own stuff into because of technologies such as CANBUS and MOST, that trade is dead, nobody has the money anymore to purchase the stuff let alone pay for it to be fitted, long gone are the days when people would spend -ú10k on vehicle enhancements. I'm looking for a permanent job, I have paid good money to train new skills, the jobs that are out there have more applicants than they know what to do with. I'm currently doing casual work on building sites to keep a roof over my head and food in my belly, and that work is drying up.

Now talk to me about real life economics.

We are teaching bad miners the difference between not profitable to gank and ungankable.

Thanks.

The gankers always say we are 'stupid' for not tanking 100%.

For me, it's RISK vs REWARD. Not stupidity.

And I will almost always fit for max yield.

...and not been blown up while mining in over 1yr, 8 months.

Those miners who do get exploded are AFK, period.

I am a bit out of the loop on how you guys went from claiming on the forums that the new mining barges were the result of too many miners crying because you were suicide ganking them, and thus claiming the mining barge tank buff was over the top. Yet here you are. Ganking again, when you claimed it was impossible/completely not worth it. But please carry on, this has been amusing. I would have to say the best part was when I went afk to see a sneak peak of the new James Bond movie, Skyfall and came back to see my ship was still alive (missing one drone, strange) and had 4 Catalyst kill mails.

Surprise surprise, Marlona Sky is making **** up. Even if you did use an alt, you could have done nothing more than tag along on the killmail for a small percentage of damage as Concord Police Commander did all the work.

Plus, I haven't seen any of this "ganker rage." I have seen a bunch of dead miners, though.

......and the notion that just because you own stuff, it has no value (which is essentially what you're saying) is, shall we say, flawed.

Watch as Touval Lysander suddenly goes silent on this particular topic.

Did not bother to read rest of post, answer is because profit can be made while ganking.

It is possible to gank mackinaws for profit with these values.... although the profit margin is slim....

(Hey CCP, release some faction/deadspace mining lasers, harvesters and upgrades. Give the yield miners an opportunity to bling out their ships. Bring back miner ganking for profit to some small degree.)

And you had the nerve to call me illiterate?